MCA Question

[NoDrama43]

Originally Posted by svopaul

When it comes to SSP's I think the only fair way to handle a judging system is to use the standard as it came from Ford, there are too many variables and inconsistencies in regards to equipment to have a fair standard to apply and I agree that would be a mistake. Equipment was not installed with regard to cleanliness...it was a matter of function for a service vehicle and while some installers do clean installs, others are just there for a paycheck and don't care....so there is not a really fair way to judge something like that.

Of course this is why I stay out of judged shows.....my personal preference is to enjoy the car, people and hobby.....the judge in Pensacola that told me if I glued a piece of plastic to the car under the hatch bumper would "Look good and be a modification too" reinforced solidly why I don't get into judged classes....I'm sorry but I'm not gluing plastic circles to my car! I think it was a huge diservice for the judge to even suggest such a thing.

Very well said Paul. and a big thanks for getting this thread back on topic ! As it is now there is a difference in how a car is judged, based on who is judging it. My next door neighbor would take his 69 Boss car (with 4k original miles) to a show and get points deducted for something, so he would make the changes, take it to the next show and get points deducted for changing it. He became so unhappy over it he sold the car and cancelled his membership. All in all though I think the MCA is a wonderful organization and I belong and support them. I give them credit (the judges) as it is NOT an easy job and I think they all try to do their very best. As the Fox cars get older I believe the judging standards will be refined and tweaked, including adressing issues like the hatch rub marks etc. I have been approached regarding judging SSP cars and I believe that agency installed equipment should not take off points, but it should not be essential for the car to be correct. My 92 CHP car #9067 has been discussed here and I won an MCA gold award every time I took it to a show. There were several judges that told me they were judging the car as if the equipment wasn't there. My opinion is that our cars should be judged for correctness as they exited the Ford plant nothing more. Correct tires, wheels, and SSP specific equipment etc. There are many issues.....and paint schemes are one of them. How about the judge that wanted to take off points on my GSP car because I had painted the rear bumper twilight blue? I had a copy of a build sheet with the same DSO # that clearly showed it was painted that way at the factory. It took some talking but the judge finally understood. These types of issues will come up and it is up to us to educate the MCA because in the case of our cars if they are to be judged properly it is going to be up to us to do the judging as we (SSP owners and enthusiasts) are the most informed.

[bonafide]

I a point to state how long I've been in the Mustang Hobby and a LEO because someone was trying to devoid my replies by accenting my limited time registered on this site. BTW, I've also been a member of MCA since 1984 and a certified judge for 3rd generation yrs. - but hey - you guys know more than me so I'll concede to your sandbox - ya'll have fun it, with ALL your misinformation being sold as fact.

Try having an open mind to FACTS and OPINIONS outside of your own and to the idea that you guys do not know everything about these cars.

[28HopUp]

Originally Posted by bonafide

Try having an open mind to FACTS and OPINIONS outside of your own and to the idea that you guys do not know everything about these cars.

All in good fun...

[28HopUp]

Originally Posted by bonafide

but hey - you guys know more than me so I'll concede to your sandbox - ya'll have fun it, with ALL your misinformation being sold as fact.

All kidding aside, it would probably be better to move these exchanges to the private message system. However, as of this post time you have not yet replied to my PM even though you have logged on and written on the board since then. Since my PM went unanswered, let me point out the following:

• you made an erroneous statement when you said that "no agency has ever had an exact equipment standard for any of their in service cars".
• Several members/staffers corrected your statement, and showed evidence that at least one department (the CHP) does have and use an equipment standard.
• Rather than agree with their answer(s), you've chosen to be stubborn about it and not accept what you've been shown/told.

EVERYONE (staff included) volunteers their time here because they are SSP enthusiasts. NOBODY is the absolute expert, and noone offers themselves up as one. But we do provide our experience and knowledge for the betterment of the SSP community.

Everyone has their own way of presenting themselves on the forum. I've re-read your posts as well as others who have posted in this thread. Since you decided to keep this discussion on the open forum, I must say that IMO your posts cast you in a bad light. I doubt that anything I say will get through to you, so I am done with this discussion. Good luck with your GSP.

[FHP813]

Originally Posted by 28HopUp

EVERYONE (staff included) volunteers their time here because they are SSP enthusiasts. NOBODY is the absolute expert, and noone offers themselves up as one. But we do provide our experience and knowledge for the betterment of the SSP community.

And on that point. Let's move on.

[NoDrama43]

Originally Posted by bonafide

I a point to state how long I've been in the Mustang Hobby and a LEO because someone was trying to devoid my replies by accenting my limited time registered on this site. BTW, I've also been a member of MCA since 1984 and a certified judge for 3rd generation yrs. - but hey - you guys know more than me so I'll concede to your sandbox - ya'll have fun it, with ALL your misinformation being sold as fact.

Try having an open mind to FACTS and OPINIONS outside of your own and to the idea that you guys do not know everything about these cars.

sorry Bernie, been working outside all day and feel the need.....

Bonafide,

It does appear as though we do know more than you about SSP cars, it's obvious to anyone that has read your rant. Hopefully between 500 officer DUI checkpoint task force assignments, and canine drug interdiction operations, and judging third generation mustangs, and ordering latex gloves for your agency, you can take some time to bone up on the facts regarding these cars. After we got back on topic I had hoped you would just realize you misspoke and let us all move on. I know a great place that you will fit right in at and actually, after the past few days, I think you deserve a time out.

.....stand by please