Someone needs to stop this now!

[mustangretriever]

Originally Posted by Alan

...it would have to make it somewhere in the neighborhood of $6k to be worth my while to sell it now.

Didn't you just buy it for $3500 (or less)?

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by mustangretriever

Didn't you just buy it for $3500 (or less)?

What he said.

Jim would probably offer you something in the neighborhood of 4K, which is a fair price. 6K is a bit extreme, especially considering what you just paid for it.

[svopaul]

Didn't you just buy it for $3500 (or less)?

That has absolutely nothing to do with it really.... I just bought a '94 GT Convertible for $1200 and turned down $5000 for it 3 days ago. I want the car...but everything has a price, if someone dangled $7K in my face I might take it....am I a GGG for that? Absolutely not. I bought the car because I wanted it, the fact that it was a steal is my good fortune and doesn't mean I have to sell it for $2,000 to be fair.

Alan had a point with the SVO Reference, I own 2 SVO's that are highly modified and I am not criticized by the SVO Community for that. Everyone had the chance to buy this car and could have contacted the seller just like Alan did or even place a bid as we discussed previously to "mark your spot"...you can't dictate what people do with their money or a car they buy....you CAN promote a good feeling of community and support the car and try to help lead someone in the general right direction but this thread while starting off that way just turned into a huge negative blow for this community by bashing this guy.

I have 2 SSP's...one IS modified and the other will be a stock restoration. I never talk about the modified one simply because the general "Air" around any SSP site is that it is taboo....which is ashame. Mine while looking totally stock is getting improvements that "I" want so that "I" can enjoy "MY" car....the minute someone tells me what I should do with "MY" car I think I'll act the same way. For this part of the Mustang Hobby it really should be looked at how some things like this come across. There are purists but you MUST understand that not everyone IS a purist and has other interests. I agree a car like this '84 is best served by restoration to original simply because of the limited numbers but forcing that down someones throat will only result in a negative response.

I also disagree about the subframe connectors....I restore cars for a living and these cars especially are flat WORN OUT by the time we get most of them and they flex badly with the unibody design. You have 2 choices....gut the car and weld up some of the seams to get the structural rigidity back or install subframe connectors. I've seen SSP's WITH frame connectors sag on a rack like a Fox convertible where the doors become hard to open! This is a fact, not myth.

I'm not attacking anyone here but I am pointing out my observations having just come across this thread in it's entirety.

[predator20]

Did the guy that offered you $5000 for your car know you paid $1200, probably not. If he did know he would have offered considerably less, unless he had to have the car. The 84 FHP that Alan has is worth around $3500 to me, that's about how much I planned to bid on it. It may have been worth $5000 to somebody else, but knowing he paid $3500 for it. I doubt somebody would give him $6000 for it. Unless they had to have it, I don't.

[ImEvil1]

I honestly can't blame the guy for being defensive, since things were being said before we even gave him the chance to speak up. For all we know, he wasn't told anything about the car, or its' rarity, by the seller. Who really knows?

However, once we got him on board, and he agreed to tone down the mods he previously planned, I think we had the opportunity to further educate him and see the car restored. Sadly, that didn't happen. He wasn't on here posting that he knew the car was rare, and that he was going to hack it up anyway (as we've seen in the past), nor did he appear to be trying to cause any trouble . I would have preferred to see him ask a few more questions about the car, but maybe he was reading other parts of the site (and other sites) and didn't have any.

We try to look out for each other, price-wise, because this is a pretty tight-knit community. He had no idea about that, and I can understand why he wanted to make some money on the car. I was a little put off when I first saw that, but thinking about it further....I don't think he really had a clue as to how this community likes to operate.

Some of the issue needs to be placed squarely on the person who sold him the car, at that price, to obviously not an established SSP enthusiast. I understand both sides of the Ebay bidding thing, but if Tate honestly thought that the '84 wouldn't get any bids, he was sadly mistaken.

[Texaspony87]

Here is my opinion. We have been down this road before. Why do people get involved with this site when it appears that we are known as purists and talk of chopping up an SSP for purposes other than restoration? I know for sure that other Mustang, or other collector car segments for that matter, don't take kindly to this sort of banter. Why do they then try to make us feel bad for standing firm on our beliefs? I don't understand. My car is 100% original. Why would I want to change it? If I wanted a "hot rod" Mustang, I would get one. There are a zillion other groups that speak to the hot rod world. Sure we are going to become upset. And why wouldn't we?

[Texaspony87]

Now doesn't that look nice!

[NoDrama43]

your car looks great Joe !!!

[svopaul]

Originally Posted by Texaspony87

Here is my opinion. We have been down this road before. Why do people get involved with this site when it appears that we are known as purists and talk of chopping up an SSP for purposes other than restoration? I know for sure that other Mustang, or other collector car segments for that matter, don't take kindly to this sort of banter. Why do they then try to make us feel bad for standing firm on our beliefs? I don't understand. My car is 100% original. Why would I want to change it? If I wanted a "hot rod" Mustang, I would get one. There are a zillion other groups that speak to the hot rod world. Sure we are going to become upset. And why wouldn't we?

Sure and that is yours and many others opinions but just like religion....is it right to shove your belief's down other peoples throat? Has anyone every just jumped down your throat about installing a set of headers on your SSP?IMO there is room for everyone in this hobby from stock restorations to modified....every modified car makes yours worth more to the purist end of the market but at least they aren't junked. Someone can be an SSP enthusiast and still have a modified car...just as much of an enthusiast as you are only on a different level. Methodist or Catholic.....both have the same goal and they can get along without telling each other they are going to hell but they have a different version of beliefs.....Same thing with a guy into stock SSP's and one into modified SSP's.

[Unmrkd]

Isn't six pages of this enough? Let's move on.