Daily Chat Thread

[nighthawk756]

Originally Posted by 28HopUp

I still have a bunch of speed parts for a hot 4-banger traditional hot rod, and I plan to pick up another Model A after Jack finishes college.

Sounds like a great plan!

[28HopUp]

Mick gave me a heads up about the following thread on FEP where the owner of a police package LTD (fox-chassis) received a Marti Report for his car -

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthre...-their-LTD-SSP


Note that it was not identified as a Special Service Package as found on the Mustangs. This car is listed as a "Police Package".

[ImEvil1]

All CVs and LTDs were full package cars. I've seen a lot of posts over there about the "LTD SSP", but that's not the case, as the Marti shows.

[28HopUp]

Thanks Mike. It's funny how the 1982 CHP hatchbacks, which were thought to be regular models from Ford, have since been confirmed as being SSP cars. Now the little LTD police cars, thought to be SSP cars (and called that by so many folks) are actually not SSP cars (but are police package cars like the Vics). We're always learning stuff...

[FoxChassis]

What does "full package" mean exactly? And how does it compare to "special service package"?

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by 28HopUp

Thanks Mike. It's funny how the 1982 CHP hatchbacks, which were thought to be regular models from Ford, have since been confirmed as being SSP cars. Now the little LTD police cars, thought to be SSP cars (and called that by so many folks) are actually not SSP cars (but are police package cars like the Vics). We're always learning stuff...

I agree. I love this thread...and the project, too.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by FoxChassis

What does "full package" mean exactly? And how does it compare to "special service package"?

Mick,

Honestly, I think it's Ford Marketing + some thrown in legal-ese. The first time I remember reading the difference was when I found the SSP insert in the paperwork that came with my '83 CSP car.

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/83_ssp_insert.htm

If what's in that insert is correct, Ford was basically telling the PDs that the Mustangs were not considered "police packages" and that they didn't meet the "product acceptance standards" for police package cars (CVs and LTDs). I have no clue as to what those standards were, but it was significant enough for Ford to differentiate between them via the insert. I have only seen that insert in one other car, another '83 (TXDPS formerly owned by the TX Highway Patrol Association).

If you look at the '87-'88 Ford police brochures here:

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/Brochures.html

You will see a similar wording but with the added "does not meet durability requirements".

After '88, the Mustangs got their own brochure.

[FoxChassis]

I'd like to find LTD literature for the "police package". All I have been able to find so far on the subject is a brochure for the 1978 Fairmont.

http://storm.oldcarmanualproject.com...police1978.htm
http://oldcarbrochures.org/NA/Ford/1...ice_Car_Folder

[ImEvil1]

Here you go (I think):

http://www.specialservicemustang.net/1984_bro_page4.htm

The LTD and Fairmont are mentioned in all of the early brochures, but you can see the split between the mid-size LTD (Fox) and the full-size LTD (Crown Vic) in the brochure above. I'm not sure when that happened (1983?).

[FoxChassis]

Yeah, the split was 1983.

From 1980 through 1982 the LTD CV was the highest trim level of the Panther-chassis LTD model line. For the 1983 model year the LTD nameplate shifted to the Fox-chassis and the LTD CV became it's own model line.