1993 SSP

[28HopUp]

Originally Posted by ImEvil1

I've sold a few here and there, so don't get me wrong....but this sure was more fun before the people just looking to make money started showing up.

Agreed! But the car will sell for whatever the market will allow. Although flippers will sell an SSP to whoever shows up with a suitcase full of cash, at least the higher the price goes, the less likely it is that the car will end up being sold to somebody just looking for a notchback to turn into a race car.

[ImEvil1]

While we're on the subject:

http://www.sspmustang.org/forums/showthread.php?t=7909

"They" in the post above is me, in case anyone was confused by what was posted there. I'd hate to think that DJP (a dealer) was trying to imply that the comments were made by anyone else other than me.

As for the flippers v/s dealers, is there a difference between them? Both are selling cars in order to make money. I don't agree with gouging people, but there will always be someone out there willing to pay for something that they really want, whatever the price is.

[FHP813]

I've made my opinion on this well known. I don't have a problem with someone making a profit, it's when a car is flipped so many times it (I think 5 in this case) it puts these cars out of reach for the "regular" guy who just wants to own one. This particular car is special and I think some people bought it just to say that they owned it. If the present owner is losing money he has 2 choices- keep it or lose the money. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. As far as someone making it into a racecar I think that point has passed as most Mustang enthusiasts know the value of the SSP and would rather take a 4 cyl car and make it into a racecar\SSP clone. My .02

[Charlie]

The best thing to do with "fishing expeditions" like this is not to even bid. The car is not seriously for sale and the owner should put it up with no reserve or not post it. It just jerks everybody around. My 2 cs

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by Charlie

The best thing to do with "fishing expeditions" like this is not to even bid. The car is not seriously for sale and the owner should put it up with no reserve or not post it. It just jerks everybody around. My 2 cs

You really don't think it's for sale? I think it is. It's like the over-inflated housing market right now, and the current seller is the one holding the bag. I think the reserve is price protection for the seller.

[ImEvil1]

Car still sits at $20,600 with one day left.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by 28HopUp

Agreed! But the car will sell for whatever the market will allow. Although flippers will sell an SSP to whoever shows up with a suitcase full of cash, at least the higher the price goes, the less likely it is that the car will end up being sold to somebody just looking for a notchback to turn into a race car.

True...but not always.

Look what happened to this '82 coupe. While not an SSP, it is a pretty nice car that's about to be turned into a race car.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=130298412315

http://vb.foureyedpride.com/showthread.php?t=74336

I'm sure that DJP (the dealer that sold it), had no idea it was going to be raced out. However, I guess that's the risk you take when you buy and sell cars as much as he does.

[Vintageracer]

Originally Posted by ImEvil1

Look what happened to this '82 coupe. While not an SSP, it is a pretty nice car that's about to be turned into a race car. I'm sure that DJP (the dealer that sold it), had no idea it was going to be raced out. However, I guess that's the risk you take when you buy and sell cars as much as he does.

As a seller of any vehicle, dealer or individual, if you offer a vehicle publicly for sale and a ready and willing buyer presents himself/herself to buy the car and agree's pay the asking or auction bid price, you legally must sell the car to said buyer no matter what their intention is to do with the car. There is no risk here, that's just the reality of selling a car.

To not sell the car to the buyer for personal reasons that you do not like the buyer or do not like what the buyer will do with the car is discrimination and you can be prosecuted for this crime!

While all of us want any and all SSP Mustangs or collector cars we sell to go to an interested and responsible buyer, after the deal is done it is the buyers car to do with it as they wish. You, the seller may not like or may not want to sell the car after you find out who the buyer is but that's life and the law!

If anyone on this site was wanting to build an 82 Mustang race and went to look at a car like this, would you tell the seller that you want to buy the car and cut it up to make a race car out of it when you were standing there looking at the car or bidding on the car? I didn't think so!

On another note, it is much easier and cheaper to build a nice race car out of a nice car to start with. If I were wanting to build an 82 Mustang race car I also would have purchased this car to start my build.

[ImEvil1]

Originally Posted by Vintageracer

As a seller of any vehicle, dealer or not, if you offer a vehicle publicly for sale and a ready and willing buyer presents himself/herself to buy the car and agree's pay the asking or auction bid price, you legally must sell the car to said buyer no matter what their intention is to do with the car. There is no risk here, that's just the reality of selling a car.

To not sell the car to the buyer for personal reasons that you do not like the buyer or do not like what the buyer will do with the car is discrimination and you can be prosecuted for this crime!

While all of us want any and all SSP Mustangs or collector cars we sell to go to an interested and responsible buyer, after the deal is done it is the buyers car to do with it as they wish. You, the seller may not like or may not want to sell the car after you find out who the buyer is but that's life and the law!

If anyone on this site was wanting to build an 82 Mustang race and went to look at a car like this, would you tell the seller that you want to buy the car and cut it up to make a race car out of it when you were standing there looking at the car or bidding on the car? I didn't think so!

On another note, it is much easier and cheaper to build a nice race car out of a nice car to start with. If I were wanting to build an 82 Mustang race car I also would have purchased this car to start my build.

Mike,

The point here is that even though a higher price was supposedly paid for the car, it is ended up being hacked up. Did you not read the thread I linked from 4 eyed pride?

If you sell enough cars, sooner or later something like this is bound to happen to you.

Off topic as it is, since you brought it up, I'd like to see a statute (any statute, State or Federal) that says that a seller has to sell anything to anyone.

I've been in law enforcement for 18+ years and we call that a civil issue; not something that you can be "prosecuted" for (ie. criminal). Of course, I could be wrong, so I'll wait to see what you come up with to back that up.

[predator20]

Originally Posted by Vintageracer

On another note, it is much easier and cheaper to build a nice race car out of a nice car to start with. If I were wanting to build an 82 Mustang race car I also would have purchased this car to start my build.

While it's nice to start out with a clean car for a project. If you are going to be removing most of the parts, that have no resale value you are wasting your money. Not to mention the huge outlay of cash you paid for the car. Doesn't make a bit of sense. But that's me. What the guy is doing can be done with a $500 roller. But instead using a $5k to $6k low mile car.