Possible Ct car, needs decoding
 

Here is a real mystery for you all. Its another one from Madison Auto so I dont know if he has the right conclusion here. Please look and see if you can decifer the codes. Thanks

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-...ht_1569wt_1010

I didn't pour over the pictures too closely, but I believe that this is the same car -

http://www.specialservicemustang.net...read.php?t=420

I cannot tell if it has spotlight holes.

http://images53.fotki.com/v138/photo.../img023-vi.jpg

The one in the photo is an actual CTSP unit. I've sent over the eBay link to one of the guys in the CT museum to look at to see if he recognizes it.

It has the typical salt cancer.... I really hate that we kill cars up here with salt.

Here is a 1989 Possible Connecticut State Police Car. I have had some Questions regarding this vehicle and if indeed it is a true CT State Police Cruiser. Here are my thoughts. The DSO # 0077 is out of detroit but that number would mean that most likely there were other cars in this DSO order. Every car would have that DSO # but would have individual order numbers to distinguish each car.

Three Possibilites

1) It was ordered through some type of federal program using the detroit 48 code. There was something called team 55 for enforcement of the 55MPH speed limits with federal grants to states to buy equipment including cars and radar.

2) The car may have been a damaged transit unit, sold at a ford auction and then sold as retail

3) A detroit region dealer bid and obtained a CT state bid for the cars and won, thus designating the ordering dealer as a detroit area dealer.

really????

Direct from the CTSP Museum fleet guys:

"Ct. never bought automatic cars."

So it is not a CT State Police car.

Great thanks, I never did trust Madison Auto

For reference, I did let him know what I knew and this was his response:

"Dear g,

I live here in CT and remember having those cars here. My uncle is on with the CT State Police and he confirmed that CT did have those cars. I cannot dispute whether this car was or wasnt, but CT did have black cars. I actually tried checking their backlog inventory. I could only get ahold of mid 90's cars. They think someone threw away the previous years with all the cars and vins listed. My Luck. But thanks for the info.
Mike
- madisonautomotive"

So ok he doesn't really know, just able to speculate on half truths.

Not to defend them, but I suspect that they are only re-telling what they were told. When Chris (SparkSVT) bought it in 2007 he was told it was a CSP car, although he obviously questioned that. The fact that Madison cited possible pedigree issues is probably the result of those concerns being passed along to each buyer since Chris.

It would be nice to learn the info on the Buck Tag, but even that might not solve thee mystery of this car. The lack of credible information, and the abundance of rust make this SSP a goner I'm afraid...

That could be the case. Either way, though, it's still misinformation and made up, and repeating it is almost as bad as making it up yourself. Take the "rubber band Jetsonic theory" over at ORG as an example.

I enjoy reading some of the half-truths from unscrupulous dealers attempting to establish "provenance" (said with my little pinkie finger sticking out from my coffee cup) about these cars. Good for a laugh, but not good for the hobby, or the unsuspecting person who gets had by these guys all in the name of the mighty $$$.

Wow that is the car I bought in 07. I got that car cheap. I saw it sitting on a back street near my house with a for sale sign on it. I called the guy and it was a guy I went to High School with. He drove the crap out of it everyday. He was a real nice guy and not into cars. It was simply a way for him to get to work each day. He told me the guy he got it from stated it was a CSP car but he really didnt care, as long as it got him to work. That car was RUSTY. it has the word POLICE written in a bead weld on the radiator support as seen in the pics. I sold it to help fund my CHP project at the time. I drove it to my work and Madison came down with a tow truck and bought it. I never really knew what the truth is about where that car was in service. Madison said he tore the car apart inside looking for a build sheet with no luck.

I just read in the current issue of Mustang Monthly that Marti Reports are supposed to be on sale for '87-'93 Mustangs later this summer. I hope that's true and hopefully having them available will finally start shedding some light on the "provenance" :) of units like this that hail from the later part of the SSP era.

Those reports could definitely help on those SSP's whose buck tag says "DSO POLICE".

My problem is that this car was issued a title in 1989 with 5 miles on the odometer according to Carfax. That means it was never in service if going to most municipalities and state agencies. titles are issued at the point of auction not at the point of the agency getting the vehicle.

Didn't the State of Connecticut lease some of their patrol vehicles? That might explain your title concerns, IF this was one of those cars.

Greg,

That may be true in some states, but not all. Take a look at the original title for FHP 1187 in the "Spotlight" section on the main page here. It was issued in '93 for the '93, as were the titles for the city cars my department purchased.

My 93 FHP car was titled in 93 with 10 miles. It also has FHP 1363 written on the side.

I have to agree, with all of the rust visible i can't imagine how much rust is lurking...sometimes we just have to let go.

Ok I can buy that. Many don't do that with the areas here. However, I know that this is not a CTSP car. The only possibility at all with CT is with DMV or Commercial enforcement. CTSP had blue only and stick.

Thanks!

Yep, after the decoding you can go straight to stripping and crushing. Another one bites the dust...

No prob, and thanks for the confirmation on it not being a CTSP car via your contacts. Amazingly, I didn't even have to go to my "PMs" to get it. :yes:

Ok, I confirmed this morning with the CTSP that they do not title their cars until they are done with them - a manufacturers certificate of origin is the only documentation until the unit is auctioned off. Again, confirming the obvious that this is not a CTSP car. Also, the Mustangs that were purchased were in various colors of Red, Silver, Blue but no Black so that the car would retain a higher resale value at auction, along with the obvious stealthy attributes of a multi colored fleet for traffic enforcement.

Now, with the grease pen markings in the engine compartment, it could be from a municipal fleet garage. So there is a potential that it was an extra from the batch of 49 that were built with the Detroit (48) DSO in 1989 and was used for a fill in for something else in a local fleet.

Interesting "mystery of history"... but it doesn't seem to matter about some of the facts for eBayers these days. :rolleyes:

Thanks all

In the interest of accuracy, I spoke again with CTSP Museum people yesterday on the additional issues and I do stand corrected on the black color as they did use black along with all types of colors of the rainbow. I'm trying to be accurate with this so I will verify with CSP Fleet about this specific vehicle.

As you probably already know, we're all about trying to put out the most accurate info we can here, so we appreciate your efforts.

I read through the discussion over on ORG....anyone that uses a work computer to run 67 VINs to check their "existence" (if true) is in direct violation of numerous policies governing the use of that system. People have even been criminally prosecuted for such misuse.

So even with all that rust it looks like it may be worth restoring after all?

Anything is worth restoring if it's what you like....

To avoid any confusion about what I posted, a copy of the original, unedited post is below. It has since been edited, not by the OP, but by one of the mods. Again, if it's true, it's wrong, and I'd hate to think that kind of thing is being condoned over there.

http://www.sspmustang.org/forums/sho...1&postcount=19

Looks like a zero feedback person got the final bid of $1,125.00 on this car. I have to really wonder if its even worth that. No known history and only speculation of it's origin. I'm guessing it's going to be back up on the bay again.

For Healeybill
 

Thanks for your effort and if a Conn car becomes available I would be interested. Charlie
fishdocktor@netscape.net

This morning I got a "break in the case" if you will. I understand that this vehicle was most likely a Hartford PD traffic car (one of one). This car was a take home vehicle too and I also have the officer's name coming that drove the car. Based on experience, this car probably did not have a very nice service life but makes sense from the condition of this vehicle and the title history from the carfax.

Sounds interesting...too bad it's in such rough shape.